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In the latest of our podcast episodes sponsored by Livi, we meet GPs Nicole Atkinson and Nicola Decker, who have similarly considerable experience of working in leadership roles, both within the outgoing Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs), and now within the newer Integrated Care Systems (ICSs), and critically, in supporting and managing the transition within their own local areas. They offer Ben their thoughts on where the main challenges may lie, the lessons they have learned whilst on their own, respective journeys, where we should be focusing our energies and priorities right now, and why they feel general practice (and primary care as a whole) has what it takes to succeed in a wider and a possibly less level playing field.

Intro (0:09)

Meeting Nicola Decker (1:04)

Nicole’s remit and experience (2:05)

…and her take on what ICSs are and how she feels they differ from CCGs (2:45)

Nicola’s views on the newer models of care (4:12)

Organisation of resources, having influence and establishment of a voice within a larger system (5:25)

How do we enable general practice to be an effective partner? (7:40)

The Primary Care Collaborative….at place or system level? (9:53)

Consideration of the task, the ask and the purpose (10:48)

How does Primary Care take ownership and hold their influence across the system? (11:20)

Managing the transition and ensuring that we can be as proactive as possible (13:49)

Has there ever been a better time for general practice to collaborate effectively? (15:07)

Is this a time limited opportunity? (17:27)

Are we united by a shared challenge? (18:10)

Working out where to start (19:45)

A change of mindset and working across boundaries (20:35)

A final word from Nicola (22:46)

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